save the plants, bugvine take 1

here's an initial foray into a bugvine deck sans jace.


4 enclave cryptologist
4 birds of paradise
4 fauna shaman
3 lotus cobra
3 renegade doppelganger
2 vampire hexmage
1 royal assassin
1 tideforce elemental
4 vengevine
2 molten-tail masticore
3 necrotic ooze
1 acidic slime
1 frost titan
1 gigantomancer
1 steel hellkite
2 grim discovery


6 forest
3 swamp
3 island
3 darkslick shores
2 creeping tarpit
3 verdant catacombs
4 misty rainforest


it's a rough list i've been testing out just to gauge mana consistency/overall synergy. more on that later.

Seems ok..WTF is tide force elemental....

chops wrote:

Seems ok..WTF is tide force elemental....

tideforce elemental is actually surprisingly effective. it's complete garbage but he does his job. also, it turns out he has crazysexylovemakings with fauna shaman. i really just needed another relevant activated ability for the ooze and found this one to be a good fit.

i will note that i know the deck is a complete dog to red deck but that hopefully gets sorted out in the sideboard.

How is tideforce elemental a relevant ability? If you had the triggered ability untap for necrotic it would be sweet, but without that, tideforce is bunk. I would almost rather have something like Merfolk Seastalkers or Air Servant, at least that way you can leave ooze untapped or attack in and use the abilities.

JakeFaas wrote:

How is tideforce elemental a relevant ability? If you had the triggered ability untap for necrotic it would be sweet, but without that, tideforce is bunk. I would almost rather have something like Merfolk Seastalkers or Air Servant, at least that way you can leave ooze untapped or attack in and use the abilities.

i'm still testing it a bit but tapping or untapping has proved relevant by itself. it fits better in the curve than seastalkers, if i want to just cast it outright, and it interacts with fauna shaman and cryptologist. i recognize all of this is still in defense of a completely janky creature but seastalkers, hellkite, gigantomancer, royal assassin, and cryptologist all suffer from the same.

You should work admonition angel into your g/w shaman build.

I kind of like the way it interacts. Tapping down some threats like a titan or something when you need it, and it has synergy with your side of the board, too. What's not to like? (Besides that it's a three CMC 2/1 that doesn't have haste and his ability isn't just "Tap.") Sure, it's bad. But, I like the idea. I can't really offer an opinion since I'm not really up-to-date with the game, but I like the way it sounds with a few of the other creatures. The chance of it being a format-defining discovery is most probably non-existent, but it sounds cool to me.

I found adding another gigantomancer or two works well. Vengeful Archon would be neat.

Jason wrote:

I found adding another gigantomancer or two works well. Vengeful Archon would be neat.

yeah, i'm realizing how good the gigantomancer is. i still hate that card but in this one application, it excels.

soliton? deathless angel?